ideologicals who don't want to say no to anything president obama. >> just say no. >> eliot: that's what they're all about. jane perkins, legal director of national health law program. thank you for being here. >> you're welcome. >> eliot: that's "viewpoint" tonight. stay tune to enter the war room with jennifer granholm. chore wheel >> i am jennifer granholm. tonight in the war room, a question of priorities. >> what specifically are you going to do to provide universal coverage to the 30 million people who are uninsured? >> that is not the issue. >> really? how much you want to bet? >> 10,000 bucks? >> relax, mitt. this isn't about you. besides, you are basically with us on this one. now, this is about republican governors and congressmen threatening to deny healthcare coverage to millions of americans for no other reason than it's an election year. do you want to play politics?

fine. let's play politics. >> the best thing we can do is get help people get good-paying jobs. >> that's louisiana governor bobby jindal who has vowed not to implement the now officially constitutional affordable care act. and, of course, he is not alone. according to think progress 10 republican governors, a group i am calling the governos are refusing to expand medicaid as called for in the affordable care act by failing to sign on, these governos will deny healthcare coverage to about 3 and a half million people and forfeit billions of dollars and they all claim they can't afford to do it. but here an inconvenient truth that they don't want you to know: the federal government

will pay for 100% of the medicaid expansion costs for the first three years, and after five years t will pay for 90%. sixteen democratic gores so far have agreed to expand their medicaid programs but the republicans remain defiant which brings me to my point. congressional republicans have planned a symbolic vote to repeal the affordable care act. mitt romney has promised to overturn it on day 1 and these republican governors are refusing to enact the law. so, they are all essentially saying: good luck complementing your healthcare reform. we are not helping. well republicans, good luck with that. good luck turning down over $250,000,000,000 for your struggling citizens, governors. good luck, all of you including congress, explaining to your constituents that their premiums

are going to rise by over a thousand dollars per family to pay for the 16% of your population that doesn't have insurance but needs care. good luck, members of congress. campaign okay a platform of taking away healthcare from people with pre-existing conditions. there are 129 million of them. good luck reinstating spending caps on lifetime benefits. there are 105 million people to whom that applies. good luck taking away healthcare from 3 million young people or preventative care from 86 million others or insurance of any kind from the 30 million without it. i know your leader mitch mcconnell said that covering the uninsured is not the issue. but it really is. this is not about political theory like federalism or states' rights. it's not. it's not about the sem antics of

taxes versus personalities. your living, breathing constituents don't care about your eye deloge cal purities. they care about their reality the reality of their health, the security of their families the freedom to live without fear of sickness and the crip ling debt and horrific choices that it brings. healthcare is not some abstract political issue. it is real, and it's personal. yesterday, i actually sat next to a woman on my flight back from d.c. she had switched her rear to work in healthcare policy. why? because her husband had died too young of cancer and her son was born with cerebral palsy and she saw a healthcare system that needed reform. she had been ready to take out massive loans to pay for her husband's care because he had reached his lifetime limit, but then he passed. so her biggest fear she told

me, was that she would die before her son. because with his pre-existing condition, she was the only one who could care for him. she had been trapped by healthcare. and on thursday she watched the supreme court decision holding her breath and then she was able to exhale with relief. her eyes welled up with tears as she told me, to me she said this was not a theoretical or political issue. it wasn't partisan. this was life or death. for me, she said this was personal. so, republican leaders, you want your campaign slogan to be: vote for me, and i'll take your child's health insurance away or vote for me. i'm let your insurance companies deny you coverage because of your pre-existing condition or maybe you will campaign on yes, unlike the rest of the country, if you live in florida or

louisiana, you won't have access to healthcare. come on down. i don't think so. republicans, good luck with that. so what do the governos hope to accomplish by refusing to expand medicaid coverage? former ohio governor ted strickland, welcome back inside the war room. >> it's good to be with you jennifer. >> well, glad to have you here so you and i have been through this before certainly as governors with the federal government begging for additional funds. why won't these guys take the money? >> well, selfishness, extreme ideology. here in ohio, governor kasich and lieutenant governor mary taylor say they are not going to pursue the exchanges. they want to the wait apparently until november and perhaps have

the federal government institute the change, the exchanges in ohio. but jennifer what really makes me angry is the fact that these folks, these governors, are getting, i guess all of them, subsidized healthcare from the taxpayer, members of congress are having part of their healthcare paid for by the taxpayer. what's good for the goose ought to be good for the gander. i think these are really selfish hypocrites. you know, i use those words purposefully because i think they adequately express what these folks stand for. you know, they want their families to be covered. they want to know that their health coverage is there for them. but forget the 30 million americans. mitt romney stood with the capitol in the background moments after the supreme court decision was announced action and he promised on his first day in office if he were to be elected that he would start the

process of denying healthcare to some 30 million americans. boy, that's going to be quite a legacy. don't you think? >> yeah. >> he can say, i am the guy who took their healthcare away from you. >> exactly. i don't understand how you can campaign on that. i am really convinced, ted, that most governors when push comes to shove are pressure mattists and that they are going to take the money. perhaps maybe they will wait until after the election except someone like rick scott who is kind of like off of the charts [whistles ] >> depth any want top enhance theirs for vice president? >> i don't know. i think they are extreme thinkers. i don't know what their motives are. the fact is that here in ohio, jennifer, one of the first things that governor kasich did was give away $400 million for passenger rail service in ohio. he just gave it away. and so, you know nothing that

these people do surprises me. and they are extreme thinkers. i mean the fact is that they are outraged, jennifer because the supreme court, a republican-dominated court, made a decision regarding an issue that was a republican decision came from the heritage foundation an idea that was first i am mroementd by a republican governor, mitt romney massachusetts whether or nots now the republican candidate for president. that just shows how far they have moved to the extreme right. i mean -- >> did you ever -- >> they argue against their own ideas. >> they totally are. let me ask you: this is about serving people. right in the did you ever refuse federal money as governor, even when there was a republican in the white house? >> of course not. i don't know how these governors are going to go to their people and say to them that there were federal resources available to

us to provide healthcare to the uninsured in our state and we decided to just not accept it. >> right. >> let other states get that money. money. i mean this is absolutely absurd. and i do believe it represents the extreme, even radical thinking, that is now dominating so many leaders within the republican party. and mitt romney should be proud of the fact that he created romneycare. and now he is trying to pretend there is a major difference between romney care and obamacare. i'm sorry, mitt. there is no basic difference. >> >>? >> there is no basic differences differences. >> you ought to be proud of the individual mandate. it was your idea, your con caulktion and we borrowed it and the president is going to implement it and you are ashamed of it. you ought to be ashamed of yourself. >> do you think these republicans who are saying now they want to repeat it,ets, do you think that issue is going

to, in fact help democrats in november? >> well, i think it will in ohio. i can't speak for all of the other states. but i think ohioans are practical, pragmatic people and i think most americans are. and so they are going to be asking the question: this money is available. if we don't take it, it will go to other states. why is our governor standing in the way of accepting resources that could be used to help people in our state? the woman you talked about having met on the plan jennifer, there are stories like that in every state, in every community and these matters are touching nearly every family now. and so i do think that the court decision ultimately will be beneficial to president obama this fall, and i think that members of congress who accept subsidized healthcare for themselves and their families

are, you know, going to look rather foolish if they continue to take the positions they have taken. now, the congress is going to have another vote on whether or not to repeal this law? they know it's an x size in few futility futility. it's a way of political posturing, and it's really quite silly. we ought to be talking about jobs, job creation economic opportunity for our people and all they want to do is continue to fight the same battles over and over and over. >> well, i tell you ted, it's obvious why you were elected. and i appreciate you coming inside the war room to make such a strong indicates. >> that's former ohio governor ted strickland. and coming up. >> very comfortable, it seems, with people who are like him. >> that comment and a couple of tweets and right-wing noise machine cost joe williams his job at politico.

he is going to join us next with his side of the story. plus, they are america's fastest growing minority and most politicians seem not to the care less. we are going to dig into why asian americans are not a prior to or don't seem to be on the campaign trail how does the romney planoclan spend their vacation? there is something called a chore wheel involved. we will try to explain. >>the guys in the middle class the guys in the lower end got screwed again. >>i think you know which one we're talking about. the overwhelming majority of the country says"tax the rich, don't go to war."

very, very excited about that and very proud of that. >>beltway politics from inside the loop. >>we tackle the big issues here in our nation's capital, around the country and around the globe. >>dc columnist and four time emmy winner bill press opens current's morning news block. >>we'll do our best to carry the flag from 6 to 9 every morning. >>liberal and proud of it. >> when he comes on fox and friends, they are like him. they are white folks who are very much relaxed in their own company. so it really is a very stark con travel, i think, and a problem he has not been able to solve to date. >> that's our next guest joe williams, talking about mitt romney. and joe, until this weekend was white house correspond he wanted forlic politic.

politico said they relieved joe of his position for controversial remarks he did made on television and twitter. for the other side of the story, we are joined by joe williams himself, coming to us from washington, d.c. and his first television interview since parting ways with politico on saturday. joe, thank you so much for joining us. >> my pleasure. you know what they say, they always return to the scene of the crime. >> so do you think this is the scene of the crime? i know we had a conversation about this sort of false equivalence in the media last time you were on. did that get the ball rolling? i hope nowt. >> to be honest with you i am not sure but it wouldn't surprise me because after i and said what i said one of the local conservative papers here or local conservative websites here in d.c. ran a story. nobody said don't do that any more. but i think that probably planted the seed. but i must say, i still stand behind what i said on your show

that this is something that happens a lot, and it happens mostly often on the right and i am a cases study now unfortunately. >> let's break it down. first of all, any regrets for making the remarks that we played that you had said which was not here obviously, on this show. but for those remarks or for the tweets that you sent out? any regrets at all? >> well, certainly it's never fun to go through this. so i regret that part of it. i do think that i have to own my part of it. i was indiscrete. i wasn't very careful and i didn't really get what was happening until it was all pretty much over. on that part of it i do regret. most reporters railroad a lot more professional. i typically am more professional of that but some moments of indiscorrection got me into hot water water. >> this is a bigger story than the tweet. you have written an article that

you are a victim of the right-wing noise machine. explain that. >> it's kind of a clunky brand that i put on them. the other thing, i don't necessarily feel vim vick i amized per se because that connotes weakness and i don't think i am in a position of weakness at this point. i mean certainly, it caused some discomfort in my life. >> uh-huh. >> but i stand behind what i said, which is this is a problem that the journalism is going to have to address. you have a small caudre of people who are willing to make enough noise and throw up enough dust and obscure enough issues to target people. and one of the things that i think journalism really has to start thinking about is the fact that these -- these people -- talking about breitbart, big media, big journalism "the daily caller" outfits like them. they are self-apointed watchdogs. they have decided to take it upon themselves to root out what

they see is a liberal bias in the media. that, to me, is sort of ant i thetcal. a watchdog keeps vigilance to make sure nothing goes wrong. they are seeking it out and creating it in some ways when it doesn't necessarily exist. newspapers and journalism outfits, outlets too often testified to react to that rather than think very carefully about who were making these allegations, what their point of view is, what is their point of view. >> who does fund them joe? who funds them? who is underneath them? >> that's a good question. i mean their funding is fairly obscure. we don't really know how they make the money that they do make, if they are making any at all. and certainly the cred en belles credentials of the people watching development match up with a lot of first-year journalism students i see coming

through politico. >> do they recognize that there is this right-wing noise machine that polices or watches, you know, makes sure that everything is either skewed in favor of them or that they call people out if they seem to say something that is favorable toward the president? >> yeah. i think people do. i think people are aware that this world view is out there that people who don't agree with that world view they tend to get really angry and agitated and every person in the washington press corps who was honest with themselves realizes this is going on. they don't have to look much further earn the next coup cubical. part of that issue is that they may be the next target. i don't know of a reporter in washington or in general who hasn't tweeted something they might regret or who has said something or done something that could be interpreted by this called caudre as showing bias. >> do you think the left has a

left-wing noise machine? is there some paralleldre>> as showing bias. >> do you think the left has a left-wing noise machine? is there some parallel. >> some have said juan williams saying he was uncomfortable around muslims but that doesn't begin to compare. on the right you have outfits dedicated, brightbart's big media, daily caller, some other ones that are escaping my thoughts right now. certainly you have more of them. people would point to talking points memo or some other outfits on the left. they do generalism the way it's supposed to be done and they aren't separated afraid to critique quote/unquote, their side. they aren't afraid to talk disagreements with president obama's policy or with some democratic positions. so i think in that way alone, they are way differented than the right is. and the right is very well funded funded.

>> politico, like the new york times and "the wall street journal" and, you know, major network news broadcast claim to be objective. do you think it is possible to cover politics objectively when the reporters, themselves, are human beings? >> i think it's possible but i also think what we can -- we can be objects i have but we can't turn off our -- objective but we can't turn off our brains. we try to make sure that we are equal. we try to make sure that we give equal weight to both sides when in some cases, both sides don't deserve equal weight. evidence trumps talking points and there is no way around that. but a lot of times we try to avoid and give equal weight to both sides even when it doesn't merit it. >> joe, i will ask you to stick around because we are going to have you in the next segment as well. i like to we willcom you to the pundit class. will the presidential can dits

run on or away from last week's healthcare ruling. we know what's happening. we will get to that and the rest of the news from the campaign front right after the break. you are watching the war room. it's only on current tv. don't go away. but how does vinod khosla really feel?

it's like chicken and crunchy stuff got married! i only use french's french fried onions on my crunchy onion chicken because it's america's number one brand. just minutes to make, then bake! >> >> back inside the war room. i am jennifer granholm. the campaign front is almost descertain today. president obama is at camp david and romney is at lake wichita winnipesaukee. their lieutenants are out trying to spin.

romney's strategist and on msnbc today. take a look. >> what did you call in max massachusetts. >> a penalty. the governor had all of the authority he needed under our state constitution to put in place the reforms he did put in place. >> so it's not a tax. the same view as the obama administration. he must have been listening, eric burnstrom to jack lew yesterday explaining justice roberts' ruling. take a look. >> he called it a tax. >> you are come seed conceding that? >> it was set up as a tax for people who buy. for that 1%, we call it fair. >> he calls it a tax. >> well, maybe the obama war room through it out for burgstrom on an etch-a-sketch. joining me from los angeles to break down how the campains are

running away is dan scammer who directed john mccain communication's efforthnur who directed john mccain communication's effort. and now leads the university of economics in southern california and veteran political reporter joe williams is rejoining us. let me start with you dan. thanks for coming into the war room. why would the romney campaign say that this is not a tax? wouldn't that message help them on their trail? >> i think aaron burnstrom would engage in the same type of verbal gymnastics today as the white house chief of staff did yesterday. it's not in either campaign's interest to spend a lot of time on this issue. my guess jennifer is that by next week both campaigns will have moved on from healthcare all together. last week, john roberts gave tremendous gifts to both campaigns. he gave the obama campaign a tremendous gift with his ruling the health car law is

constitutional, allowing them to make that argument going forward should they choose but he gave the republicans a gift, also. romney can't use that gift for the reasons we saw in your video clip. but any other republican who wants to, including american crossroads and any other independent organization is going to take the facts to the u.s. supreme court called it a tax and use that over the course of the campaign. everybody got something. >> everybody got something. >> out of john roberts' decision. >> except it puts the presidential candidate on the republican side at odds with the congressional candidates. joe, let's listen to an ad from romney supporting americans for prosperity. it's a super p.a.c., of course, on behalf of the congressional candidates. listen. >> president obama promised us his healthcare law. >> it is absolutely not a tax increase. >> now, we know that's nots true. obama' health care law is a large increase in history. >> that add started airing as part of a $9 million ad buy in

13 battleground states. is it a problem for romney's allies not to be on message with the tax issue? >> not a problem that the super p.a.c.s are doing it and basically once this issue starts rolling, you are going to see everybody singing from the same hymnal on romney's campaign and the surrogates because this, as dan said, is a gift. basically, the one thing that republicans always to try to run on and one thing that is orthodoxwy their peter is tax increases. john roberts gave them something to work with there. it obscures the central issue. the central issue is: can people get healthcare that they can afford? can people get freedompremiums that they can every day without having to dip into large amounts of savings? and one way to get that is by having everybody participate. if everybody doesn't participate, what happens to the people who decide to sit it out, thus incurring problems on the people who decide to opt in.

>> sure. >> so again, it's rhetoric that doesn't really get at the central issue, which is: how can we make healthcare more affordable and more accessible to everyone? >> i see a presidential candidate now at odds with the message of the congressional candidates. my guess is, dan that eric bur burnstrom said this, as you suggested, to get off of this issue. let's move on to the economy. this enables him to sort of em embrace what he said in the past and move forward. but i think this is going to be a problem for republican congressional candidates. don't you? >> you know, i don't. i think republican congressional candidates will be perfectly happy top take the tax language and hammer their opponents with it. joe makes a good point. the romney 30-second ads are not going to get at the heart of the healthcare issue. very few 30-second ads on either side of the i'll will. but again, i go back to the broader point which is i think we are in a fairly unique situation once we have gotten through the fourth of july

holiday in which neither presidential candidate has a tremendous incentive. they both have a disincentive to talk about healthcare at all. obama doesn't want to talk about it because even though the law is constitutional he knows it's not particularly popular. romney, as we saw on the burnstrom clip a little bit earlier does not want to spend the fall explaining why his proposal is any different from what obama is doing. all in all, they are both going to try to leave this issue in the dust. >> it's wild. everybody is all over the map on this. let me talk -- let me ask joe. there was a kaiser family foundation poll today that shows that 41% of americans are unaware of the court's ruling. how does it affect the race if a good chunk of our country doesn't know what the court did? >> because what the president will do -- and i think dan's got a point as well. but i think what obama could do is talk about how his now gotten valuedation -- you saw it when he made his announcement on the way that the court decision

became handed down on thursday. he talked about how this has the infamata of u.s. supreme court how good things are starting to spring from the healthcare policy. >> that's what he is going to talk about it. it's not going to talk about it as the affordable care act. he is going to talk about it as your son or daughter who is under-age 26 gets to stay on your healthcare plan. you get free check-ups. you get free access to certain things that the insurance company wasn't going to give you bailiff. you are going to be allowed to get a premium even if you have a preexisting health condition. >> that's what he is going to talk about. the cher robbery top of that sundae is going to be john roberts saying this is a-ok. the tax issue is kind of a lose her for president obama. he is not going to go there. he is not going to try to define that. >> that's not what is going to be a great amount of people care about. >> jennifer, can i weigh in for one sec? >> yeah. >> joe covered this white house and he covered it well. and he makes a good point. he made a good point a moment ago, that there is no reason

that barak obama can't, going forward, articulate a strong defense for this healthcare law. but he has not to date. and i find that puzzling. for a president who is such a good communicator, for a team of advisors who are so talented at this stuff they haven't for the last two years made an effective case in that in this regard. and, joe, i am curious on this. you think that the infamatature from the supreme court will make them more impassed? >> joe, we are running out of time. i have one question i wanted to add dan and i don't mean to hijack your question but i want to ask you. politico reported that mitt romney realtime told al group of potential supporters including rupert murdoch that he won't flip-flop and i am wondering dan, this is a absolutely different issue but what can rom dmoeshing to out flank the president on immigration. >> he can't. marco rubio tried to throw romney a life line with his

version of the dream act. romney chose to ignore it. what's important going forward is whether it's obama's version or marco rubio's version, neither of the can deaths, not obama, not romney seriously . you have 11 and a half million people in this country without documentation. the dream act, if they are are a band-aid, a helpful band ate but they are not an answer. mitt romney doesn't pretend to address the issue. barack barack obama has pretended. neither of those responses should be satisfactory to any latino voters. >> we will talk about some of those issues coming up. i will have to let that be the last word dan schnur and joe williams. thank you, gentlemen, for coming inside the war room. coming up: when is the last time you saw a political ad targeting asian voters? after the break, we will take a look at the fastest growing

constituency in the country. we will find out why no one is going after it.

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between 2000 and 2010. >> that's four times faster than the general population. asians make up about 6% of the country's population. >> that's not enough to make them an interesting political target consider the growth in swing states. in pennsylvania they have seen an 85% increase. in florida, 77%. in village, 89% nevada, 116%. there is still a relatively small segment of the population in these states on the order of, say, 3 to 9%, but in tight swing states every vote counts. remember what happened in florida in 2000? al gore lost by 537 votes. so what do we know about how asian americans will vote? so here are the numbers: 53% of asians identify themselves as democrats. 16% as republicans.

and perhaps most interesting 31% are intents. this is a huge opportunity right there. up for grabs. joining me now are david lee, political science professor a lot san francisco university and executive director of chinese-american voters and bill wong, political director of the asian american small business pac. thank you to you both. bill let me start with you. why doesn't the asian american community get the same amount of attention as, say, latinos or african-americans? >> well, it really depends upon what you mean by "attention ". if you look at from a policy standpoint, for example, i think that the reasons why they are so overwhelmingly democrat is because president obama has appointed more asian judges than any other president in history. he had three cabinet secretaries that were asian american. his operation has high-level

asians on his staff. so i think in amount lot of ways, they are paying attention to asian american voters, particularly in high asian voters like california, you see a huge presence for them. it's something that is changing. it wasn't like this, you know, 10 years ago. >> 10 years ago, right. huge opportunity certainly. i want to have you listen to president obama's ad, which is targeting the asian american community. take a license. >> the president's sister is half asian so when he talks about the api community, he isn't just talking about us as a constituency group. he is talking about us as family. >> pom >> president obama is clearly the right chase to make. he has had more kayesian american cabinet members than any other president in history. >> effective? >> absolutely. and the base of the obama campaign and the asian community is mia, his half-sister.

she has been a terrific spokesperson for the president. >> she has been out publically. >> out publically in the asian community and really understands the community. she is from hawaii and is very very well known in the community and has been a prolific fundraiser for the obama term. >> so i am going to have us contrast this because i would like to play an ad from the romney campaign, see if there is anything different about his vision for america. take a license. >> the former massachusetts governor dominated across all demographic lines. >> join me in the next step toward that destination of november 6th when across america, we can give a sigh of relief and know that the promise of america has been kept. the dreamers can dream a little bigger. the help wanted signs can be dusted off. we can start again. this time, we will get it right. our greatest days are ahead. we are after all, americans.

>> so, bill there was not one person of color that and in that add. he did use the word "dreamers" but i don't know he was referring to, for example, the dream act. do you think that he needs to make a much more aggressive effort to specifically target the asian american community? >> i definitely do. i think he is in a rock and a hard place. i mean i think the republican party has made some gaffes. i am not sure you have seen the recent controversy over rnc website that was supposed to reach out to latinos but they had pictures of asians instead. there was a woman who was running, i think in nevada, speaking to a group of steinedudents who were predominantly latino and said i think you are asian and they have made these racial gaffes that they have to overcome. i don't know if anyone remembers in 2008, he ran anti-china stuff on his primary election and i think that people still are concerned about that. >> concerned about that?

let me just quickly ask you, david, there is one issue for asian americans to turn out in 2008, only 47% of asian americans voted versus 66% of whites. how do you get more asian americans to participate? >> i think the asian americans are most concerns about jobs. consistently, we know that the economy is of great concern to asian americans. i think as long as the president stays on message, if obama wants them to turn out if romney wants them to turn out, they have to show them how they are going to create jobs. >> is there a problem with restoration? is there a problem with outreach? >> registration has been challenging gauze many asian americans are not yet even u.s. citizens and many are permanent residents who have to wait for the citizenship process. so we are registering them to vote. it takes a constant effort of educating them letting them know their vote makes a difference. they've to have a reason to vote. >> sure. in a close election, it's a

hugely important community. i want to thank you both for coming inside the war room sharing the challenges and the possibilities as well. david lee and bill wong. next, when talk turns to the presidential race, gary johnson is a name that doesn't often come up, the libertarian presidential candidate will tell us how he is hoping to change that. after the break.

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be libertarian with me for one election. together, we will stop the spending and end the wars. together, we will rebuild our own roads, bridges, schools and hospitals instead of building theirs half a world away. together, we will restore our industrial might and our economy. and if in fouriers two... >> joining me from new york is gary johnson. welcome inside the war room. >> great to be on. and thank you for running that add. >> that's terrific. >> you bet. tim chuckling looking at you there. you kind of look like harrison ford's cousin or something. you have got a whole another look there. so you and i served together of course as governors. i am wondering: why did you leave the republican party? what's changed? >> you know, i think that speaking with a broad brush stroke, i think the majority of americans are fiscally conservative and i think they

are socially accepting. i am in that category but i think both political parties, democrats and iranians are just not coming together at all. and, you know what? we are all somewhere in that center space there. so this is -- for me i think i was delivering a message that was very similar to that of ron paul and from the notion of liberty and freedom and the personal responsibility that goes along with that this is an opportunity to continue to talk about a mention that i think is the fastest growing segment of american politics today. >> so okay. you hold a lot of progressive views like being pro-choice. >> yeah. >> and pro-gay marriage. do you think republicans should embrace some of those popular socially liberal views like those if only to survive? >> well i think -- i think the majority of republicans actually hold those views but that isn't the activists.

and really, i think it's a voice that's not being represented t i wasn't able to -- i wasn't able to advance in the republican primary. i really was excluded from debates because i wasn't in the polls that determined who was in the debates, but that's a whole another story. right now, this is an opportunity really to talk about that middle ground, and the drug war. let's get out of afghanistan. let's bring the troops home. let's balance the budget. let's bring about marriage equality. i think there are a lot of differences. >> all of those sound reasonable to our -- to our viewers, all of those do. but let's get to the nub of things that may be challenging for our viewers. what should be the government's role? should the government inspect milk or insure the safety of water or medicine? what's the limit for you? >>. >> the government has a role to

protect us to groups, individuals, corporations that would do us harm. the environmental department action the notion that there are polluters out there. i ran into that as governor of new mexico for the government, who prevails over that activity? yes, you as a citizen can file suit. but, you know what? >> depting when you are up against big dollars that corporate polluters have at their disposal. >> so who do you think you are pulling votes from? thecracrats or the republicans? >> well, i think it's from both sides and where it's been tested pollwise, i actually do draw in new mexico, i draw more votes from antipolice than i do romney, but in north carolina in colorado, i vote -- i take a few more votes from romney than i do obama. so really a mixed back. and like i say, perhaps -- i am being given a chance here to say

what happens frame saying is more representative of american politics today than the other two old parties. >> we have got a minute left. your polling in the single digits. i am wondering how much difference do you think it would make if you could participate in the debates? >> well, you know it would make a bigger difference, jennifer if i could just get in the polls that determine who does get in the debates. right now, those polls that you are citing are om two polling organizations out of 18. if those watching can get online gary johnson2012 and give all polling organizations a call that, hey, there is a third choice, i am going to be one of three candidates on the ballot in all 50 states. i think that warrants at least being in the polls that determine who ultimately ends up getting in the debate. >> it's an amazing conversation that we could have about our two party system and how it would be interesting to have a broader

array of voices heard on the spectrum. i really appreciate you coming inside the war room. >> that's libertarian candidate for president, gary johnson. and up next the romneys are on vacation or, as the late night talk show hosts call it, jackpot week. stick around. really? no. it comes with a hat. see, airline credit cards promise flights for 25,000 miles, but... [ man ] there's never any seats for 25,000 miles. frustrating, isn't it? but that won't happen with the capital one venture card.

[carnival music ] >> in our mitt moment the whole romney clan is on vacation in new hampshire. their time together includes a daily chore wheel, a competition called the romney olympics, other activities involve playing on the beach, of course, selecting a vessel from their three-boat garage for a spin, pounding nails into a board. good now mitt. take a vacation. you have earned it. when you are a politician, you anywhere know what the media will dig up or how brett erlich will make fun of said research. brett erlich's talking now shh >> so buzz feed have pictures of politicians. i am here to make fun of them because people made fun of me. this is how i cope. >> that's how i cope. it still hurts. you are still here? most of these politicians haven't changed a lot. paul ryan is not one of them. what moisturizer do you use?

i had an expert age a photo of paul ryan to see what it would look like 40 years from now? >> terrible. dream. >> perhaps my favorite is rick santorum. in the 70s were an escalator he got his shoe lace caught in it. it is tearing him to shreds. a special combination of plaid and turtleneck. jon huntsman in a bow tie before he won the all-caddie tournament in bushwood country club. this puzzles me rand paul dissecting a cat. where did you go to high school? hogwarts? is this when you were running for president of slithering house. i always expected scott brown didn't believe in democracy. he was some sort of king of what country? floppy bow-thailand. romney in high school holding some sort of fake gun to his